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	<title>Comments on: Was it just a simple database query?</title>
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	<description>For more than a decade Marc has been a passionate advocate of placing the customer at the heart of business, working with clients in finance, retail, government and entertainment sectors, helping them craft compelling cross channel customer experiences.  Marc champions lean and agile approaches for making customer driven innovation happen.  He brings design thinking and creativity to clients, engaging across the organisation with a focus on delivery as well as ideas.  He is currently writing a book on Agile Experience Design to be published this Autumn.</description>
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		<title>By: Phil</title>
		<link>http://www.dancingmango.com/blog/2007/11/23/was-it-just-a-simple-database-query/comment-page-1/#comment-54433</link>
		<dc:creator>Phil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Nov 2007 20:01:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>By the way, check this if you haven&#039;t seen it already, &quot;Life inside the beleaguered HMRC&quot;:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7104395.stm

Gives an insight into what happens inside a government department when it is forced to merge with another while having its IT outsourced.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By the way, check this if you haven&#8217;t seen it already, &#8220;Life inside the beleaguered HMRC&#8221;:<br />
<a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7104395.stm" rel="nofollow">http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7104395.stm</a></p>
<p>Gives an insight into what happens inside a government department when it is forced to merge with another while having its IT outsourced.</p>
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		<title>By: Phil</title>
		<link>http://www.dancingmango.com/blog/2007/11/23/was-it-just-a-simple-database-query/comment-page-1/#comment-54429</link>
		<dc:creator>Phil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Nov 2007 18:59:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good post, Marc. Fail to realise what the true costs are, indeed. 

In today&#039;s paper it said the cost of producing the sample requested (hopefully involving nothing more than writing &quot;select  field1, field2, field3... limit X&quot; instead of &quot;select *&quot;) was £5000! Five thousand pounds? Just to replace a few characters in an SQL statement? Is that a lot, or what?

Is anybody else irked that the data keeps on being described as &quot;lost&quot;? It&#039;s not lost. They&#039;ve just open sourced it. They still have a copy of the data. If they had deleted the records from the database so they don&#039;t know who&#039;s claiming child benefit any more then fair enough, that&#039;s lost.

Has anybody else noticed that quite a lot of this data could do with being open sourced anyway? How many of the 25m names that could now be in the hands of criminals are criminals themselves? Are my neighbours upstairs claiming child benefit? For how many children? One, which they have? Fifteen?

The underlying cause? It could be because of this: competent civil servants don&#039;t like being made subordinate to incompetent outsiders from private corporations. The civil servants retaliate by not being exactly, uh, helpful. When asked, &quot;So how do things work around here?&quot; the civil servants aren&#039;t inclined to give particularly good answers. Or they could go beyond that, and give the wrong information. 

Could that be how the enormous cost overruns get generated? In HMRC&#039;s case they had a big contract with EDS which got scrapped, and then another contract with someone else that promptly tripled. 

Did anyone else think that merging Inland Revenue and Customs was a dodgy idea?

The public reaction reminds me of the Michelangelo computer virus in 1991. People were scared their computer was going to be destroyed by Michelangelo. So they went round checking their computers for the first time and finding every virus except Michelangelo.

Today, people reading their bank statements for a change, and finding all kinds of unauthorised direct debits that have been there for ages. Changing their PINs for the first time ever. Overall, security boon. The Government should do this more often.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good post, Marc. Fail to realise what the true costs are, indeed. </p>
<p>In today&#8217;s paper it said the cost of producing the sample requested (hopefully involving nothing more than writing &#8220;select  field1, field2, field3&#8230; limit X&#8221; instead of &#8220;select *&#8221;) was £5000! Five thousand pounds? Just to replace a few characters in an SQL statement? Is that a lot, or what?</p>
<p>Is anybody else irked that the data keeps on being described as &#8220;lost&#8221;? It&#8217;s not lost. They&#8217;ve just open sourced it. They still have a copy of the data. If they had deleted the records from the database so they don&#8217;t know who&#8217;s claiming child benefit any more then fair enough, that&#8217;s lost.</p>
<p>Has anybody else noticed that quite a lot of this data could do with being open sourced anyway? How many of the 25m names that could now be in the hands of criminals are criminals themselves? Are my neighbours upstairs claiming child benefit? For how many children? One, which they have? Fifteen?</p>
<p>The underlying cause? It could be because of this: competent civil servants don&#8217;t like being made subordinate to incompetent outsiders from private corporations. The civil servants retaliate by not being exactly, uh, helpful. When asked, &#8220;So how do things work around here?&#8221; the civil servants aren&#8217;t inclined to give particularly good answers. Or they could go beyond that, and give the wrong information. </p>
<p>Could that be how the enormous cost overruns get generated? In HMRC&#8217;s case they had a big contract with EDS which got scrapped, and then another contract with someone else that promptly tripled. </p>
<p>Did anyone else think that merging Inland Revenue and Customs was a dodgy idea?</p>
<p>The public reaction reminds me of the Michelangelo computer virus in 1991. People were scared their computer was going to be destroyed by Michelangelo. So they went round checking their computers for the first time and finding every virus except Michelangelo.</p>
<p>Today, people reading their bank statements for a change, and finding all kinds of unauthorised direct debits that have been there for ages. Changing their PINs for the first time ever. Overall, security boon. The Government should do this more often.</p>
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		<title>By: marc</title>
		<link>http://www.dancingmango.com/blog/2007/11/23/was-it-just-a-simple-database-query/comment-page-1/#comment-54343</link>
		<dc:creator>marc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Nov 2007 15:42:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The email trail is found here - http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/nickrobinson/Informationrelatingtochildbenefitdata.pdf
it makes interesting reading</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The email trail is found here &#8211; <a href="http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/nickrobinson/Informationrelatingtochildbenefitdata.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/nickrobinson/Informationrelatingtochildbenefitdata.pdf</a><br />
it makes interesting reading</p>
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		<title>By: Phil Moorhouse</title>
		<link>http://www.dancingmango.com/blog/2007/11/23/was-it-just-a-simple-database-query/comment-page-1/#comment-54334</link>
		<dc:creator>Phil Moorhouse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Nov 2007 13:38:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt;&gt; Must a database query be expensive?

It is when it returns the same article 5 times  for your front page ;)

Kidding aside, you have to wonder if incompetence is a requirement for winning government IT contracts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;&gt; Must a database query be expensive?</p>
<p>It is when it returns the same article 5 times  for your front page <img src='http://www.dancingmango.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Kidding aside, you have to wonder if incompetence is a requirement for winning government IT contracts.</p>
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